Tape 004 Side A: “Sam and John” Side B: “Women Swing”

Side A: On this side of the tape, Sam and Johnny play guitar and sing songs. They discuss different places they have lived, how Los Angeles started out as a hacienda, how to become a “man with a mission”, how Sam’s first play had old men in it and how his plays have young men who turn old. They also discuss the racial tensions with Jazz music in the 1940’s and how they should make movies about it.

Side B: Johnny discusses the contents of a letter he received from a girlfriend about how she is not in love with him. Johnny goes on to talk about the break up and some of his past relationships.